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heinleinfan
May 24th 2012, 01:35 AM
My husband and I hope to get a new (to us) car by the end of summer. We're going to be buying used, but not "search craigslist for a car" used but from a dealer.

We want something small with at least decent gas mileage, but want to move up from a compact to something with a little cargo space. We've just got a lot of projects we're into now that require actually hauling some things around.

Anyone have any opinions on Subaru, and specifically the Outback?

Or other little crossovers like that, that are those things that are not an suv, not a wagon, not quite a car types?

Thanks!

Bens-Bees
May 24th 2012, 04:43 AM
I've never had a Subaru so I can't comment on them.

I do have a RAV4 (my wife's), and it's a complete piece of crap. My advice is to steer clear of the RAV4 whatever you decide.

blueblood
May 24th 2012, 05:49 AM
Of course I am always going to recommend a BMW :grin: but I am if I equally impressed with Subaru. It has cargo space, looks decent and is all wheel drive...which, would be good for your region. Good gas mileage too. My mother has a Hyundai Highlander cross over type vehicle...she loves it. Might be a another manufacture to look into.

Iddee
May 24th 2012, 05:49 AM
I had a subaru that blew a head gasket while under warranty. I had to pay for the oil, anti-freeze, spark plugs, ETC.

I had a Honda that blew a head gasket while under warranty. I was asked if I needed transportation to pick it up. Was handed the keys and they said "Thank You".

I now have an Isuzu Rodeo made in the Subaru plant in Indiana. In less than 100,000 miles, they have replaced both the motor and transmission.

In my opinion, subaru is a curse word. Honda and Toyota are the only automobiles made.

bamabww
May 24th 2012, 06:22 AM
We've gotten real good service from a (2002) Ford Escape. Gas milage runs between 22 and 25 mpg. Plenty of leg room in back seat and the seat lays down and doubles your cargo space. Easy on tires, our last set had 85K on them.

It comes in a hybrid model now.

tecumseh
May 24th 2012, 07:12 AM
man Iddee you is hard on cars.....

PerryBee
May 24th 2012, 07:14 AM
Subaru's are nice but I have known several people who have had major (expensive) engine troubles with them so I would be wary.
I wish I could recommend something made here but the quality is so hit and miss. I am a GM fan, currently have a 2002 Montana minivan (I'm OK with it) and a 1991 GMC 3/4 ton that is in great shape except the motor is getting tired. I love it (not the fuel mileage though :shock:) I will probably look for something more efficient after I win the lottery.
I know a lot of folks that have toyotas (corrola, matrix, yaris) and have not heard one of them complain, even after the recall stuff. Honda's good but not as popular up here.

pturley
May 24th 2012, 08:59 AM
A diesel VW (Jetta TDI) will get 40+ MPG and will run for 200K plus miles (w/ a manual transmission) if well maintained.

I had 289,000 miles on my 2001 Jetta TDI and was still going strong, starting every time I turned the key (after the glow-plug light cycled) and was still getting 45+mpg when I screwed up and killed it (truely my fault it died!). The body on all VWs have a 12-year unlimited mileage, transferrable no rust through guarantee. My '01 only had a bit of surface rust in a few corners!

I currently drive a 2012 Jetta TDI and absolutely love it (Tornado red, 6 speed manual transmission). New off the showroom floor, I paid a bit over $22K (OUT THE DOOR) for it with a 6-year, 0.9% finance offer. I couldn't come close to this with a decent used car price/payment combination.

The only weak point in these cars (CR engine) is the new high pressure fuel pump mostly noted in the 2006 through 2010 model years. Unfortunately, the failure mode for this can only be described as "catastrophic". It is something that routine maintenance and checking for signs of imminent failure CANNOT BE OVERLOOKED!

There was a significant redesign of this pump during the 2011 model year. My fingers are crossed that the changes were 100% effective. It was worth the risk for the fuel economy and potential longevity, even if I need to replace the pump (~ $1500) at 100K miles! By that time I'll likely be my own mechanic on this car anyway (I enjoy working on cars!)

As an engineer, I am fascinated by the design elegance of the Subaru boxer engine but had heard word of the head-gasket and other issues with the gasoline versions. There is a Subaru Boxer diesel in europe... ...if this ever comes to the states, I may have to give it a look despite the reported issues with the gasoline versions (...faster burn rate = higher detonation force = higher failure rates!).

Iddee
May 24th 2012, 09:01 AM
My son has a Toyota tacoma, 2001. He has bought oil changes, tires, and battery only. I have a Toyota tacoma, 2004, same thing. Mine has over a hundred, his nearly 200. I don't think I'm rough on them. I think it's the way some junk is made.

Hog Wild
May 24th 2012, 09:38 AM
I have a 1999 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 with 176,000 hard miles; on & off road. Change the oil every 3,500 miles and replace tires is all I have done, average about 18 - 20 mpg. Wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sequoia 99,000 miles and same oil/tires.

2005 Harley Davidson Road King with 32,000 miles @ 51.4 mpg and sounds good doing it! :cool:

Zulu
May 24th 2012, 09:40 AM
man Iddee you is hard on cars.....

You have to see how he drives ....... He must have been a NASCAR driver in another life :grin:


Kidding.....

Zulu
May 24th 2012, 09:43 AM
I too am looking and TDi Jetta or Passat are both on my list, as our 2003 Sienna xle van has been awesome, 140k and no issues.

Want stick shift and diesel, not too many options. Wish Toyota brought their pickups from Africa here where both my options are common.

Also have to find a low cost Teenager car by March next year.

Hog Wild
May 24th 2012, 10:50 AM
Zulu, With two 16 year old daughters of my own, unfortunately the car will be lowest cost, wait til you talk it over with your insurance Co.! :eek:

Zulu
May 24th 2012, 10:57 AM
Zulu, With two 16 year old daughters of my own, unfortunately the car will be lowest cost, wait til you talk it over with your insurance Co.! :eek:

Amen

Already have an idea ..... No more hobbies for me

heinleinfan
May 24th 2012, 12:38 PM
My teenage car was a '69 VW Beetle that had been half-chopped dune buggy style and cost us $300.
The fenders were left rough and unfinished, they could slice through a leg.
No seatbelts, no glovebox (it was the old cardboard kind and was long gone), heat was either ON REALLY HIGH or off, air conditioning...bwahahahaha.
For most of my time owning it the ignition didn't work correctly, so I'd have to lift the backseat and unhook the battery to get it to turn off and try not to ground the wire on the frame while doing so.
Line from the gas pedal to the engine kept snapping, finally got it replaced with a long piece of bailing wire (like for those big round hay bales) and it lasted forever.
Seat sliders stopped working and I had to drive for a few months with 2 phonebooks and a pillow behind me to reach the clutch.
Transmission timing was all out of whack for a while and I had to three-foot it every time I stopped at a sign or light.
No speedometer for a couple years, but I knew I was going over 55mph when the little triangle window wouldn't stay open in the wind anymore.

...I loved that car.

PerryBee
May 24th 2012, 01:55 PM
Ha, my very first car was a 68 beetle as well! I took that thing up hills and through bush a pickup truck couldn't go! Unstopable. :lol: :thumbsup:

Iddee
May 24th 2012, 04:19 PM
My first was a 1951 1/2 Chevy pickup. My first NEW car was a 68 bug. You're right, Perry, I have pulled 4 wheel drive jeeps out of the mud with it.

heinleinfan
May 25th 2012, 10:51 AM
I didn't ever pull trucks with my bug, but I did go offroad a lot, heading out to the river to swim or pull trout lines or going out to the hunting camp.

Heh, we lived for a while nearly right on the Pearl River, which would flood often and our yard would flood up to the foot-high porch, and the road to the house would get pretty deep.

I found out exactly how deep a flooding my bug could get through with enough speed...and at what point the water was too high and my bug would just float instead. :shock:

gunsmith
May 25th 2012, 03:45 PM
Do I sense a trend here? My first car was a '69 VW bug. I now have a '99 Chevy 4X4 1/2 ton p/u and my better half has an '05 Ford Explorer. Plenty of room and 21-1/2 to 22 mpg.

PerryBee
May 25th 2012, 04:26 PM
Do I sense a trend here? My first car was a '69 VW bug. I now have a '99 Chevy 4X4 1/2 ton p/u and my better half has an '05 Ford Explorer. Plenty of room and 21-1/2 to 22 mpg.

I guess a lot of beekeepers like "bugs"! :lol: :rolling: :rotfl:

heinleinfan
May 26th 2012, 06:40 AM
I guess a lot of beekeepers like "bugs"! :lol: :rolling: :rotfl:

*groan*

Ten cents into the pun jar, please.