First trap out

Discussion in 'Swarms, Cut outs, and Trap outs' started by Daniel Y, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. DLMKA

    DLMKA New Member

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    I THINK I got a queen from the Hogan trapout I did this year. I shook bees out into a nuc and gave them eggs and young open brood. In 21 days I had new eggs. I'm not going to say they couldn't have raised a new queen from the brood I gave them but 21 days is pushing it for her to emerge, mature, mate, and start laying a nearly perfect brood pattern.
     
  2. Daniel Y

    Daniel Y New Member

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    Here is a bit more information.
    I estimate the queen cells are in day 6 today so we are 10 days from emergence.

    Our 50% first frost date is October 15th. it is common for us to have warm temperatures until October 30th. A gamble at best. I think we have a much better than 50 50 chance of warm weather past October 15th though.

    Virgin Queen emerges August 27th
    Queen has taken mating flights and is laying fertile eggs two weeks later on September 10th.
    First cycle of brood has emerged three weeks later on October 1st.
    Second cycle of brood emerges three weeks after that on October 22 exactly one week after our 50% first frost date.

    October is our first frost but we seldom get sever cold well into December.

    Now given that my bees will not read this. I have a bit of back up. I have a strong 10 frame Lang I was considering making a late split on but didn't. I can take frames of brood from that hive and add to a nuc started from one of these queens. I then only need to get here mated and can then boost her laying with eggs from her mother to get her through winter. With enough empty frames of comb I can hopefully boost it fairly well as my queen is a strong layer and still going gangbusters even now. My problem is frames of empty comb. hopefully some of this foundation I just put in the hive will get drawn out. But this way IF all I can do is get the new queen through one laying cycle I can add the population of a second cycle from my strong hive.

    I also saw information in the past about wintering a nuc over a strong hive. Does anyone have any comments on that and how well it works.
     

  3. efmesch

    efmesch New Member

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    DY says: "I also saw information in the past about wintering a nuc over a strong hive. Does anyone have any comments on that and how well it works."

    If I recall correctly, Omie has experience with something on that order---Hope that she answers your appeal or send her a PM.
     
  4. Daniel Y

    Daniel Y New Member

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    Thanks Efmesh,
    We went and took one of the frames with queen cells and left the other. With a more careful count of cells and still not certain we found all of them. there are at least 14 queen cells on two frames. We brought the one frame home and added two frames of honey and one frame of pollen and I hope eggs to a 5 frame nuc. We also placed a frame of foundation in the nuc.

    When I got into my hive to get the additional frames my bees seemed pretty hot. I got two stings tot eh back of my hand even though I was wearing gloves. The back of my gloves are a knit cloth material and the bees are able to get their stingers through it. I have to figure something out to prevent that. ANyway my bees are seldom that aggressive so I don't know if there is a dearth or something might have happened to my queen. Something has them unhappy right now.

    Anyway I will put an empty box above the inner cover of the nuc and start feeding this tiny colony. There are only enough bees to cover about 1 frame but they where already covering the frame of foundation in minutes. I am hoping they can get some empty comb drawn in the next week so the new queen has plenty of space to lay once she has mated.

    Otherwise what are my options in getting additional bees added to this nuc. I know adding frames of brood I can just place frames in the nuc. But what about additional adult bees? what precautions do I need to take so I am not starting a war? For example if I take a frame of brood from my hive with the nurse bees on it can I just place that directly in the new hive without them fighting?
     
  5. PerryBee

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    Nurse bees on a frame of brood are OK. (I myself have just started doing this versus always shaking off the bees and have had no issues) The other bees are probably a different story.
     
  6. efmesch

    efmesch New Member

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    Listen to Perry's answer.
     
  7. Daniel Y

    Daniel Y New Member

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    Thanks Guys, I thought it was okay due to watching videos etc. but the whole combining bees things gets fuzzy until you actually do some of it. Sure wish I had been certain yesterday while I was in the hive. It is a long way down to that brood box. Anyway that is a perfect way to give this nuc the bees it needs. One frame of brood with the nurse bees on it will give it a pretty good population. Kind of bare in there right now.
     
  8. Daniel Y

    Daniel Y New Member

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    We want to bring a couple more frames of bees home from the trap out to boost the strength of the nuc we brought back with us. Is there anything special we nee to do to introduce the new bees to the nuc now that they have been separated? I was thinking we should at least do a newspaper combine or something.

    There is also still a frame of queen cells in the trap out. I have been trying to decide if we should just bring that home as well but that woudl leave the trap out hopelessly without a queen. I am thinking that will just result in laying workers.

    We will go check on the trap out this afternoon and want to bring the frames back with us then. I am also hoping to find the queen in the trap out any day now. Here is to hoping anyway.
     
  9. Daniel Y

    Daniel Y New Member

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    Just an update. We added the extra bees just fine they seemed to be okay with just being set on top of the nuc and allowed to mingle.

    I was not able to separate the queen cells due to lack of frames to make up the nucs. Both hives had queens emerge yesterday per observation of open queen cells. I suspect by now that only one queen has survived in each box.

    Wish I could have held onto them a bit longer I just don't have enough equipment yet. Between my hive, a new nuc and the trap out. NO bees will draw any new comb. I am spread pretty thin considering I only had one hive to start with to provide resources for all of this. I was counting on being able to ad foundation to hives and feed them to get them to draw comb. The bees had other ideas.

    My plan now is to get all the bees I can with the trap and add them together in a hive here and do my best getting that one hive through the winter. The extra queen will be used to re queen my top bar hive.