Can the EPA get any dumber?

Discussion in 'Pests and Diseases' started by Iddee, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    CATCH THE BUZZ - New Pesticide Reporting Page available?
    From: Kim Flottum (Kim@BeeCulture.com)



    The EPA, in cooperation with Oregon State University, has launched a new portal for the reporting of ecological incidents related to pesticides, through their "National Pesticide Information Center" website. This is an effort by the Office of Pesticide Programs to improve the quantity and quality of incident data they receive for pesticides, so please check it out, use it, and get the word out to other interested parties!

    The portal is not without a few problems. Pertinent information asked for on the 4 page query include the type of incident you wish to report...terrestrial, aquatic, both, for plants or bees.

    They also want significant contact and location information, which makes sense, including your state and county, but also the number of affected entities, date observed, the weather when the event occured and a short overview of the event.

    But here's the kicker, in my opinion...you need a significant amount of pesticide information...or they don't let you finish the report. They want the Product name and the active ingredient, and if possible the EPA Registration number (which is conveniently located on the label, in case you didn't know). They also want the formulation, evidence of misuse, how certain are you it was misused, and whether it was an aerial or ground spray.

    I'm quite certain they want more, but since I didn't have the registration number, I couldn't get past that page on the report, so had to quit...This is a short coming on this what-could-have-been very useful report for beekeepers. Maybe product names and formulations and active ingredients and registration numbers are move available to people other than beekeepers. But when you find a dead hive you probably don't have ample opportunity to carefully read the label. Thus, this reporting device is meaningless. That is unfortunate.

    To take a look at this report, and if you have a registration number, go to the web page below and make a report...

    http://npic.orst.edu/eco
     
  2. Hobie

    Hobie New Member

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    Sounds like a great way to report yourself, since then you would have all the info. But what are the odds of that happening? People who live next to large farms that spray (like me) are out of luck. Unless I see them in the act, chances are the containers are in the dumpster.

    Sadly, in answer to your initial question... "Yes, they can."
     

  3. BjornBee

    BjornBee New Member

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    My standard stance.....

    Last year, I had an apiary hit with pesticide kill. (Not CCD!) Piles of dead bees out front of the hives. The farmer, sprayed in preparation of fall planting and killed a field of late blooming flowers, as he was using no-till.

    The farmer allows me to keep bees on his property as a favor. He has no pollination benefit. I keep them there for drone saturation in one of my breeding areas. He is 83 years old. He almost cried when I told what happened. He was very sorry and said he did not realize the impact.

    I mentioned what happened in a state meeting. They wanted me to report the issue. And I did not. I did not want a situation where EPA or other officials come calling, reporting him, and putting him in who knows what consequences.

    I felt it was better to work with the farmer, discuss future chemical use, and maintain a situation of a working relationship between beekeeper and farmer. And I feel that having beekeepers running a round making enemies, which I feel will happen, after the authorities are through with the process, is not in my, or any beekeepers benefit.

    I take it upon myself to KNOW where I keep bees, WHAT the farmers are using, and HOW to deal with the situations that may pop up. And if it involves cancelling a pollination contract or looking for greener pastures elsewhere, than so be it. I would rather inform the farmer, work together, and keep bees on properties with open dialog.

    And I know I am better off on those same farms, that may require a little effort on my part, as opposed to trying to find a location. What I fear more, is the neighboring farm, that will not allow bees on the farm due to his use of chemicals in careless manners. And If I have bee loss from that other farm, I may not be able to prove it, educate him, or change the future.

    So for those farmers that actually DO allow bees, than I see no reason reporting him.

    As for my pollination farmers, they are paying for my bees to be there and they have a vested interest. And I don't have problems with them. They are way more careful than the homeowner trying to kill every weed, or the farmer who is not willing to communicate with me.

    As a side note, I find this whole reporting thing part of the "business" of research. It's like asking "How many years will it take to do simple testing of chemicals, to prove one way or another if they impact hives?"

    Think about it....CCD three years later, and were still discussing whether a certain chemical is killing bees. How hard would a few simple studies to be conducted. Anyone heard of one study actually testing any particular product? Do we have ANY actual studies or research?

    I said a long time ago....politics, money, and other issues will be more important than finding answers. Those answers may come, but not until that goose has laid a good number of golden eggs.
     
  4. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    Ya got dat right, podner........

    But there are still those you spoke of that won't cooperate, and don't care how many bees they kill. Those are the ones we want to use an attitude adjuster on.
     
  5. Bens-Bees

    Bens-Bees New Member

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    If you have a pesticide kill hive, isn't it fairly easy to bag up a good sample of bees and send them off to a lab to see what pesticide they were killed with? Then couldn't you take that information and get the product name, active ingredient, and registration number for that pesticide in order to file this report?
     
  6. -06

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    LOL, if it is any gub agency they can. Simple solutions and common sense are automatically out the window. They want you to do their job for them. Lost all my bees about five yrs ago. One or two to possible spraying and the others to mites. Have my hives all cleaned, painted, and ready for new starts. Dad told me as a kid that anything the gub gets into ends up in a mess--things have not changed in these fifty plus years.
     
  7. tecumseh

    tecumseh New Member

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    evidently some folks have made up their minds cause daddy said it was so? I would suspect F2 thinking and information is no better than F1... just a hunch thing. might I suggest that what a number of the prior post suggest is more a red neck mental model than anything constructively critical in nature. evidently WE are the enemy? evidently some folks have already decided that anything and all things done by 'the government' is a failure without question. which only really informs others of how really shallow their thinking is....

    it seems to me the appropriate adult response (no whining) would be to contact the government agency and describe what you think are the inherent problem with the program.

    just my two cents...