cnc mill

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  1. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    well I got bridgeport mills lathes mig and tig welders in my shop. Today I added a brown and sharp surface grinder and an older hitachi seiki cnc mill. now Im complete and going to start working into going out on my own. been making the other guy money for 25 years in machine shops and tired of watching him go off to the lake in the new boat I am making payments on. Got some good connections over the years to get work. and the good thing is the shop is free and clear. Going to start working it in the evenings until I can afford to go full time with it. The lord bee willing and the creek dont rise Hopefully in a couple of years. Even got a tool changer on the cnc so I can let it run unattended at night while I sleep. Its amazing what you can afford after you quit donating your money to the beer companies on a daily basis. :Dancing: :yahoo:
     
  2. brooksbeefarm

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    Congratulations Rat,Looks like your on the right track :thumbsup: . I wish you the best. Jack
     

  3. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    You're right there, partner... Mr. Busch and Mr. Miller already have enough to buy all the cnc's they want. Hang in there. It gets even better with time.
     
  4. G3farms

    G3farms New Member

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    Rat that is great, I know you will make a go of it. It is scary as crap stepping out on your own, I know, did it twice. Once you see that you have a few loyal customers, and some money is coming in, things start looking better. If you can do it for somebody else you can do it for yourself, and don't sell yourself short or undercharge.
     
  5. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    Rat, when running a business, producing the product or service is 40 % of the work.

    Administration and money management is 60 %. Keep that in mind as you prepare for the transformation.

    Making money is totally useless if you have none left at the end of the year.
     
  6. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    Very true. You cant look at what you did for the day but look where you been thru the year. I have worked for people that in good times bleed cash for toys and other unneeded things. Then in bad times they have to chose between laying off buying a piece of equipment that is needed or a new 4 wheel drive. I was actually furlowed last august on a tuesday the guy said he had depleted his payroll and couldnt pay me thru the week. I was the highest payed employee and the only one working there that was not family. The next day he bought a new four wheel drive pickup. Today he is selling off the very machines he uses to make a living to pay the help. And still driving the new 4x4. Then I have worked for guys that are tighter than bark on a tree that wouldnt spend money to make the money when needed. They was a dollar waiting on a dime. And then there have been some like where Im at now that have a good balance. and money in the bank. When you spend the day working side by side with the owner you will see and learn things that will help if you pay attention. The biggest mistake I see in shops is when the boom times come they will over extend themselves buying the latest and greatest new machines on credit. Then in a down turn cant make the payments. Dad always said a man cant have no worse friend than a banker afraid to tell you no.
     
  7. srvfantexasflood

    srvfantexasflood New Member

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    A man with a plan. That's great, RR. I commend you on your courage to step out on your own. I never had the confidence in my self to follow my dreams. If I could turn back the clock and keep the knowledge I have now... We've all heard that story.
     
  8. Charles

    Charles New Member

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    Welcome to business ownership :yahoo: I'm very jealous too, I worked in the machine shop at Woodword Gov for quite a while and it's one of the most enjoyable jobs I ever had. Nothing like taking a raw chunk of metal and making something useful out of it :)

    Good luck rat, I wish you all the luck in the world!
     
  9. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    thanks charles we got the machine moved into the garage on saturday. Working now to get it set. You are right on machining being enjoyable. I set out to be a machinist when I was 16 and now at 45 I still cant get enough of it. Hopefully we will have the machine under power by next weekend and making chips.
     
  10. G3farms

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    Sounds good, before you know it you will be moving it again to a bigger shop. You can never have enough covered space to work in.
     
  11. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    very true g3. we had a lot of trouble moving the machine took us 8 hours and it was only 3 miles from where we moved it to. Blew a hydraulic line on the forklift right out of the gate. Then pulling down the alley to the shop we collapsed the culvert under the alley causing the machine to slide off the forks. All in all we got it home in one piece. Forklift was suposed to be rated for 12000lbs machine weight was supossed to be 9000 but fork lift had trouble handling it. Not sure if it was the forklift was weak or the machine was heavier than stated. or both
     
  12. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    put the cnc to power today. So far everything has checked out good. Tool changer is a little stiff but I think it is a lubrication issue. Should be making test cuts to make sure it holds tolerance in the next couple of days. Then its time to put it to work. Had to run no 2 wire thru conduit friday that was like trying to feed a rope thru a needle eye.
     
  13. tecumseh

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    a riverrat snip:
    Very true. You cant look at what you did for the day but look where you been thru the year. I have worked for people that in good times bleed cash for toys and other unneeded things.

    tecumseh:
    sounds to me like the american business plan of the past 40 years or so. at the very top of the dung pile are corporate executives taking off 6 figure salaries with almost non existing resumes. then every time the corporate budget gets tight they sell off some corporate assets just to make the bottom line look better.

    although punching out product is important I suspect Iddee has the game plan about right when he says..

    producing the product or service is 40 % of the work. Administration and money management is 60 %.
     
  14. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    bought my seat of mastercam to program with today. Man they are sure proud of their software. And the bad thing is you dont own it. Your just buying the liscense to use the software. Once you own it cant transfer or resale it to another individual
     
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    Rat, you ever go to Wichita and hit Boeing Surplus and "The Yard"? you can get lots of machine cutters/bill/drills/reams etc and other parts there. It may take a few trips since its always changing but can be worth it when you find that carbide cutter for a dime on the dollar. Might not be the stuff you need but might be worth a visit. I used to go to the one up in Seatle. Bought all sorts of aviation tools for my job. Made things alot more convienient and helpful.
     
  16. riverrat

    riverrat New Member

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    You bet I was up at the yard twice this week you can buy cutters some new some regrinds for 5 bucks a lb aluminum drops are cheap they got about enything you would need boeing surplus is only open on fridays so I will probly hit them next week got everything up and running except I havent been able to download the g code to the machine from the computer. I should have that straightened out friday. If all goes right
     
  17. riverrat

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    isnt business ownership fun. Got the ole cnc mill home set up and made a few chips. now its time to start fixing the little things that are causing problems in the mill. For starters someone went in and messed with the control parameters and deleted out all the macro programs that allow the tool changer and other thing work. Fanuc keeps there parameters a guarded secret and getting them out of a tech is about as bad. Anyhow was running without the tool changer and the y axis coupler has loosened up so now got to pull the motor to fix this. Got my new seat of mastercam and got them to throw in the $2000.00 advanced classes for free so I go to them next month. Then owner of the company I work for found out I bought a machine and a seat of mastercam and is not real happy. Have heard rumers he is looking for a new programer. I have picked up a couple of contract programming jobs designing tooling. Its going to be a long slow road.
     
  18. Walt B

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    Hang in there. As they say in the song, "Keep your eyes on the prize..." :thumbsup:

    Walt
     
  19. Iddee

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    I hope you like beans. A new business owner can't afford tators. :shock: :wave:
     
  20. tecumseh

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    snip..
    Then owner of the company I work for found out I bought a machine and a seat of mastercam and is not real happy. Have heard rumers he is looking for a new programer.

    tecumseh:
    you will automatically know when business is picking up when your former employer starts sending you a bit of business. a little at first for certain and then when the economy really gets to rolling a bit more.