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Discussion in 'General Beekeeping' started by Omie, Oct 10, 2011.
water, or double boiler.
Ackk!- I'm not sure what you mean! =8-*
---Do I put the clump of gooey wax (about the size of a grapefruti) into a pot full of water, (IN WITH some water) and then heat it over a double boiler?- or do I leave the top of the double boiler DRY and put the gooey clump all by itself to melt in the top empty pot?
It'll be easier to work with if you start with some water if your intention is to feed the extracted honey (now diluted) back to the bees.
1: Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but I thought you had a solar wax extractor. You can put the clump in the extractor, let the sun do the heating (maybe in your area it's too late in the season to get a really heating sun?) and you'll get the cake of wax on honey that,if not heated too long or too hot, is still excellent for baking and cooking.
2. You can soak the cappings in water and extract a thin honey syrup that can be used to make mead--another delicious honey project. :drinks:
A grapefruit sized clump isn't very much, but for this amount you'd put the water in the bottom boiler and the clump in the top. After heating and cooling you'll get a thin cake of wax and a small amount of heated honey--good for baking or cooking. Probably not enough to make any mead.
I just want the pure wax, I don't really care about the little bit of leftover honey in the ball of crushed wax. I have no solar extractor, and I don't think the sun will do enough warming now.
So I will just warm the clump til the wax melts, then let it cool, right? The wax will form a clean cap on top that I can just lift off?
To get cleaner wax, you're best off if you add some water to the container with the cappings and stir it while still hot. Soluble substancds and small pieces of dirt will settle out to the dilute hony on the bottom and when the honey is thinner, it cleans more easily from the wax. At the interface you'll probably have some waste--heavier than the wax but floating on the syrup.
Ok, I get it now!
Thanks to both of you!
How many frames gave you the grapefruit sized ball of wax? (This is very interesting. Something I've not gotten to thinking about yet.)
Sorry I had to leave so quickly. If you only want the wax, just crumble the ball into a small saucepan that you don't want to ever use for anything else. Add an inch of water and heat slowly until it is all liquid. Let it cool overnight and pick up your wax. A can you opened may be better than a pan. It is smaller diameter and you can throw it away when finished. With the amount you have, consider it practice. You won't have enough wax to matter. Maybe a tablespoon or two.
Skyhigh- it's a grapefruit sized ball of gooey wax crumbles and honey residue- not solid wax. It's what was left after mashing up about 4 whole medium frames' worth of capped honeycomb and letting it drain through a mesh bag for 2+ days.
Iddee- too late- it's melting right now in one of my good stainless cooking pots! lol! Oh well...! :doh:
That's amazing. 4 medium frames and as Iddee says, it'll turn into 1 or 2 tablespoons of wax. Bees are incredible.
Good work :thumbsup:
I'm waiting to enjoy your pictures. BTW, the "globs" you strained out were probably clumps of pollen that were in some of the cells.
I'm also waiting for the spirit to move you to try making mead. It's really something! :yahoo:
Now, where are the photos of your good stainless steel cooking pan? :lol:
i have been saving mine for melting an dipping the plasticell into to rewax or add wax to the ones the bees turn their nose up to....the brood combs ive melted down so far have come out more orange colored an have a stronger smell than virgin wax like what you have in the pic.
i wouldnt doubt it a bit....but its not wax moths im worried about....the SHB here is INSAINE...it smells strongly of hive...which im scared would attract them...but then a hive smells like a hive too...may just make some small candles out of it to see if i can...lol
I made a sieve from SS screen for my double boiler....i put it in before i put in the wax...when its all liquid i just lift it out an all the cocoons come with it....that setup wont work if you have alot of comb though...Iddee told me to melt it with water and i had 2 five gallon buckets full to melt...all heavy dark brood comb....so i got a big stock pot and 3 or 4 inches if water and chucked it all in....the rough wax with lots of cocoons i took off the top and remelted it in the sieve/double boiler which did a good job of cleaning it out....
I've read that aluminum may discolor your wax, but I have no experience there. Has anyone else melted wax in aluminum pans?
one way I have been told to do this is ,,,,,,,, put wax and honey in canning jars put on the lid ,, set the jar in hot water til it all melts ,,, now turn it up side down and let it cool ... the honey goes to the bottom ( now remember this is really the top of the jar ) ,, the wax goes to the top ( but this is really the bottom ) OK ,, now when it cools you pour of the honey , the hard wax is on the bottom of the jar .. now melt all the wax one more ,, pour the jars together ( fill with the wax you get from the frist time )),, turn up side down ,, the last of the honey comes out ,, now you have fairly honey free wax .. give this a try and post what you think of it ...
this is why you go to garage sales , buy pans , and what ever you may want to use .. this way you never have to get the wife/mother/girl friend mad about the wax in the pan
Hey, Kid, good to see you back. You've been gone too long.
Good idea there, too. Thanks.