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We got some drunk bees out here. They fall out of the hive onto their backs, flip over and fly off. Not just one or two, every bee that leaves the hive does this. Whats up with that. RB
 

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If they are flying off probably nothing to worry about. I have watched hives that are very crowded at the entrances and seems like the field bees just can't get out the front door fast enough.

If they were falling out and landing in the grass and acting drunk not ale to fly then I would think of pesticide poisoning.

Maybe you just have some acrobatic bees.......show offs :lol:
 

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there are some diseases (I want to say just off hand here one or two virus) where part of the symptoms are 'the bees appear drunk'. the one or two cases I have seen here the bees do not right themselves too quickly.
 

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I fed sugar syrup that I heated before I knew better years ago. Now they understand hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF), is a by-product when sugar is heated. It is a neurotoxin that also affects people. It was considered as a possible cause of "Gulf War Syndrome" until the Corn lobby shut the study down. The process of HMF forming applies to all sugars.
"HFCS forms hydroxymethylfurfural
What these USDA researchers discovered is that when HFCS is heated, it forms hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF), a chemical that can kill honey bees. The production of HMF during cooking rose in parallel to the temperatures to which HFCS was exposed.

To put it plainly, when you cook HFCS, it becomes contaminated with HMF. And according to the research, levels of HMF "jumped dramatically" when temperatures rose above 120 degrees Fahrenheit (which isn't very hot, by the way)."
 

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Americasbeekeeper said:
Now they understand hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF), is a by-product when sugar is heated.
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To put it plainly, when you cook HFCS, it becomes contaminated with HMF.
Now, is this info for heated HFCS, or sugar? I'm confused.
 

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Americasbeekeeper said:
Now they understand hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF), is a by-product when sugar is heated.
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What these USDA researchers discovered is that when HFCS is heated, it forms hydroxymethylfurfural (HMF), a chemical that can kill honey bees.
So, is this info about heated HCFS, or heated sugar? I'm confused.
 

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Also, is the study you refer to available on line? If so, can you provide a link to it? I would like to read it for myself.
 

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I have the same question as Hobie.... does overheating apply to sucrose or only hfcs?

ps... much after the fact I reconsidered Braswell description and though that some robbing events might appear to the casual observer to be exactly as Braswell described.
 

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You guys are amazing. I learn here!! I will try to get you guys a video of these acrobatic bees. I have fed them no sugar. The food they have is what they have brought back to the hive This is the first box of bees removed from the NW Guilford County trapout 15 days ago. We have 2 more boxes of bees from this location, I need to see if they are dropping from the frames onto the bottom board like the first box. ___Next question, if we heat honey above 120 degrees is this same by-product produced?
 

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the only reference I can find in my old acb/xyz is 'burnt sugar or syrup is liable to be fetal to bees'. no temperature is given and there is liable to be none since a candy board almost requires a good deal of heat. my loose understanding is you wanted to avoid caramelizing the sugar.

another possibility.. I do know a migratory bee keeper who overwinters down on the Texas Gulf Coast who tells me that there is a yellow jasmine (vine I think) that bloom in the early spring there and it pollen when ingested gives the bees a drunken' appearance.
 
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