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Discussion in 'Swarms, Cut outs, and Trap outs' started by Eddy Honey, May 10, 2012.

  1. Eddy Honey

    Eddy Honey New Member

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    I got a honeybee call today but the owners didn't want any demolition done so I'm trying a trapout. It is down low where an old hose bib/outside water spigot was installed. There is a hole in the top foundation block where it meets the plate. I made the cone about 8" long and sealed up all around it. I stayed and watched for a couple of hours and saw many bees gather on the outside but only a few actually come out of the cone. These are obviously field bees returning. I put a frame of capped brood with honey at the top of the frames and 1 frame of newly laid eggs in a 5 frame nuc.

    The owners said these bees arrived on Tuesday so I'm thinking this is a small swarm. They might not have much of anything built up yet though I did see pollen on the field bees. Luckily it is close to home so I can observe them on a regular basis. Tomorrow I'm going to pick up some Great Stuff and replace the duct tape I used because I just don't trust it.

    All the bees seemed to be gathering below the cone so I postioned my homeade nuc real close to that area plus I propped the top open about 3/8 of an inch. Some bees went in and I saw them fanning.

    It's a crude 1st attempt but I know I didn't destroy or alter anyones property.....yet....lol

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  2. PerryBee

    PerryBee New Member

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    Hey Eddy:

    See if you can get the entrance to your nuc box higher up so it is as close to the base of your cone as possible. The bees will cluster at the base of the cone and you want the entrance to your nuc to be as close as possible to it.
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  3. Eddy Honey

    Eddy Honey New Member

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    Ok, I should've left it like I had it. I lowered it because all the bees were clustering at the base of my plywood. Tomorrow I'll lower it.
     
  4. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    Bees will remove great stuff or old style caulk. Use silicone caulk only.
     
  5. Eddy Honey

    Eddy Honey New Member

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    Iddee, I was worried that I won't be able to remove the silicone once it dries. I keep tons of silicone in my workvan so I know what I'll be doing in the morning lol.
     
  6. blueblood

    blueblood New Member

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    Nice....okay, I have not done trap outs yet. I have seen this set up a couple of times here. Do you make the cone or buy it? Does it act like a one-way tunnel? Also, are you putting lemon grass oil or something else in as a lure? Is the nuc full of frames/foundations? How long, on average, will you leave the trap? I have plenty of nuc boxes now...just need to get one of those cones... Lot of questions I suppose I could have used search box...but, it's right here, so thought I would ask....DISregard...I found a step by step right there in the swarm/cut out/trap out section of the forums...good luck with your trap out....
     
  7. Eddy Honey

    Eddy Honey New Member

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    I made the cone out of some hardware cloth. Very simple to do. The bees see it as a one way tunnel.
    For bait I put a frame of eggs and a frame of brood/nurse bees. For the brood comb I used a nasty comb that my newly mated queen learned how not to lay eggs in. The eggs came from a known good layer.
     
  8. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    I start one with nothing but a frame containing eggs and whatever else it might contain, plus enough frames to fill the box. They may be foundation, drawn comb, or a mixture of both.
     
  9. G3farms

    G3farms New Member

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    Make the cone out of number 8 hardware cloth. Iddee has a video of making one and how big to make the entrance. Yep acts just like a minnow trap except backwards, the bees are already trapped inside of the wall and you are wanting to trap the outside of the wall. The cone will not alwaysbe a perfect fit and might have to be cut to fit. It is always nice to have a flat surface to place it onto.

    Bait the trap hive with a frame or two of brood WITH EGGS, or a nuc with eggs, or a queen right nuc, or a nuc with a queen cell, or you could substitute a nuc for a full size hive.

    It can take up to 60 days or so to complete a trap out.
     
  10. blueblood

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    Wow...60 days...I have plenty of hardware cloth...I may try one on a house in town...does anyone have a link to Iddee's vid? I caught your disdain for your queen Eddy...ha! Thanks for the schoolin!
     
  11. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    Is it possible that these bees are all gone already?
    I watched for 1/2 hour today and there is nothing coming out of my cone, just orientation flights around my nuc box and bees coming and going from the nuc.

    This was a 2 day old swarm according to the homeowner.

    Should I pull out and seal up the hole or leave it for a week or so?
     
  13. PerryBee

    PerryBee New Member

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    It sounds like they didn't get much of a chance to set up shop. I would still wait a few days just to be sure.
     
  14. Iddee

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    They have already scouted the area and know where the flowers are. Let them build for a week before moving them.
     
  15. Eddy Honey

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    ...ok...plus that nuc should be rearing a queen out of all the eggs I gave them on Thursday. Probably shouldn't move them till the Q-cell is capped.
     
  16. G3farms

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    If it was a swarm that had just moved in you could (and I say could) have the queen in your bait box.
     
  17. Eddy Honey

    Eddy Honey New Member

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    I looked at my queenless bait hive today and found 4 queen cups. But on 1 picture I could swear I see eggs. Could I have transported these eggs to the trapout? They'd be a full 3 day and 4 hours old.

    Still very early in the process. I did bang on the wall and nothing came out, all activity is with the bait hive.

    To be continue'd.....

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  18. Eddy Honey

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    Update. Trap is still at the site. I haven't seen a bee leave the cone since day 1.
    The homeowner is getting antsy but his wife is ok with it. It is very residential and on the front of the house.

    Two weeks ago I saw 3 or 4 dead bees in the cone so I shook them out. I haven't seen anymore dead bees in the cone since.

    There is now a laying queen in my box. They were given a frame of eggs the day it started (5/10/12). According to the queen calender they're a week early for eggs.

    I'm hoping I got the resident queen. 24 days seems pushing it to develop a queen, get her mated, and start laying but I assume it's possible.
     
  19. Iddee

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    Sounds like they have vacated the house. No food, so they had to leave. You may have the house queen, or you may have a new one. I have found eggs on day 21. Not often, but it does happen.
     
  20. G3farms

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    I always figure it to be day three, according to the queen calender, when I start a trap out. Same as making the graft.