have a small swarm

Discussion in 'Swarms, Cut outs, and Trap outs' started by Zookeep, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. Zookeep

    Zookeep Active Member

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    swarm in a water meter box Im removing Friday afternoon, Ill take pics and post how it all goes:dance:
     
  2. PerryBee

    PerryBee New Member

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you! :thumbsup::beg: More pics!
    I trudged around in the snow today and put my ear up to half my hives, no quiet ones so far.
     

  3. ApisBees

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    Yes Keep us bee deprived keeps amused for another couple of months thanks
     
  4. Zookeep

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    was not very warm today, 64 degrees but went ahead and caught the swarm, queen was easy to find, she is almost orange and black stripes, the 1 thing I did notice right away was of the 4 small pieces of comb they had built already the queen had laid in all of them tight little pattern too, only 1 med frame of brood, swarms been there less then 21 days, no new bees hatched yet, when I move them to a nuc from the bee vac box Ill take a pic of the 1 frame.
     

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  5. PerryBee

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    Looking at photo #2, is that a queen up at the top at about 1 o clock (black abdomen)?
    Thanks for the pics, I'll probably be good for a day or two now. :thumbsup:
     
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    blueblood New Member

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    Ah, very nice Zoo...Thanks for sharing the pics. It is hard to watch ya having so much fun as we northern folks sit back and bite at the bit, looking at all this snow and feeling all this cold weather...it actually warmed up here today, 29 degrees..ha!
     
  7. Zookeep

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    queen is black and orange stripes Perry, thats a old worker you see is all, I will try for a pic of her when I release her from the clip on Saturday.
     
  8. ApisBees

    ApisBees Active Member

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    What is with the small swarms. Up here with the short season any thing less tan 3 lb's won't develop enough to make it thru the winter. it's find the queen and kill her and let the bees rejoin the colony the departed from or add the to a weak colony
     
  9. Zookeep

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    this bunch will be 2 deeps in 2 or 3 months and Ill get honey from it by middle of summer.
     
  10. ApisBees

    ApisBees Active Member

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    I believe you. You have the extra 8 week to allow the bees to build up. It is amazing how one more cycle of brood (21 Days) can effect the strength of a colony. In the case of keeping bees in the Tundra region this is achieved thru early spring stimulant feeding. Thank again for posting I look forward to seeing how you are going to torment use.
     
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    wild honeybees have a tough time finding good places to build
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    [TD="align: left"]04-01-13 4:37 PM
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    lol thing apisbee dont like all the small swarms Im finding
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:38 PM[/TD]
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    I read that. He's like me, jealous as he!! at not being able to get out and work the bees. :lol:
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:39 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    that small hive will be 2 deeps in 2 months
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:39 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <PerryBee> [/TD]
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    I still don't get why they all chose to nest so low to the ground.
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:40 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    all the high spots are taken or dont exsist
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:41 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    we have palm trees (not good bee houses) very thin oaks and maples same thing
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:41 PM[/TD]
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    You get to stand there, and I have to get lifts of scaffolding. :rolling:
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:42 PM[/TD]
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    Do you do any swarm trapping?
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:43 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    not needed to yet, always have a shortage of boxes and more hives then I can hive:grin:
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:43 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    I have 2 more removals I have not even gotten to yet
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:44 PM[/TD]
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    That hurts :rolling:
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:44 PM[/TD]
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    llol iddee said when I stick the knife in make sure to turn it:lol:
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:45 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <PerryBee> [/TD]
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    Owwwwwww!
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:45 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    I have 10 hives right now I could split soon as the drone production goes back up
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:46 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    I have a few drones but not like springtime
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:48 PM[/TD]
    [TD="align: left"] <Zookeep> [/TD]
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    I wont try to raise a queen right now unless I have to
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    [TD="align: left"] 04-01-13 4:49 PM[/TD]
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    I have found new drone comb with larva in 2 hives a few days ago so I know times coming soon
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    I'm sorry I mist out on the conversation Zoo And Perry.
    It's not that I don't like the small swarms it is just puzzling to me. Hives don't issue swarms if there are not suitable conditions for the virgin queens to mate. Mating requires drones that take 45 days to develop from egg to be ready and mature enough to do the deed. The swarms you have been getting have only been established in those locations for a few weeks so they left their hive at a time when there wouldn't be drones for proper mating. If they were actual swarms the original hive would be left with a poorly mated queen or the cast swarm would be poorly mated, If at all.
    Your 10 hives that are ready to split haven't a healthy supply of drones in them, with the colonies only now picking up drone production. Or are they in swarming mode that you are finding swarm cells in the strong colonies. The timing seems to be off for my way of thinking, that these would be swarms from brood and honey bound hives bursting at seems with great populations of bees.
    Could it be (This is only speculation and I pose it as a question for thought and discussion) that what you are finding are swarms that have been under attack and have absconded to escape their predators?
    Hives faced with a mite load that is depleting the colony that the bees sense there demise abscond leaving the high concentration of mites in the absconded colony to perish. SHB have gotten in and destroyed the honey wax so the bees abscond or face death. Bees absconding and starting new is an excellent means of natural pest control.
    Maybe the bees are taking pest management into their own hands and dealing with the pests themselves.
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  12. Zookeep

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    down here we have drones almost all the time, there are a few drones in every hive in my back yard right now, but I dont want to split hives right now because without a real flow on I would have to feed them to build up and build new comb, most of the hives I have found btw were very large its just these last 2 that were very small swarms, Ive seen a swarm the size of a baseball, theres a big difference between south Florida and the tundra for beekeeping, hives here never stop having brood, it may drop down to only 2 or 3 frames but even now they have started gearing up.
     
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    Hay Zookeep the last 2 smaller swarms, dose it look like the queen is older with a shinny thorax or a fairly new queen with fuzz still on her thorax.
     
  14. Zookeep

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    here is the pic of the 1 frame with the queen clip I forgot to post
     

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    Comb Orientation

    You may have problems with the central bit of comb in your pic.

    I believe that comb is normally aligned with a cell corner to the top ...... not a flat.

    I am willing to accept the comment ........ "Load of rubbish" ...... :smile:
     
  16. Zookeep

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    you can hang the comb in any direction and the brood will hatch just the queen will not reuse the comb if its not in right, but after the brood hatches I will most likely remove it anyways and put foundation in.
     
  17. Zookeep

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    here is the queen, sorry for the bad pic she is camra shy and was on the move the hole time
     

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