Honeybee Democracy

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  1. sqkcrk

    sqkcrk New Member

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    Tom Seeley, author of Honeybee Democracy was the guest speaker at the Empire State Honey Producers Assiciation Summer Picnic, last weekend. He spoke about some of his research, which is printed in the book.

    I got a copy and wondered if anyone else would like to join in a chapter by chapter discussion? I'm doing this on another forum. We haven't yet started the discussion. We are giving people a chance to get a copy and read the first chapter. We'll probably start the discussion next Monday.

    Any interest here?

    I understand the book is available on kindle and Amazon.com, I believe. Or, maybe at your local library.
     
  2. rast

    rast New Member

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    Is the book educational enough to be worth buying? I am an avid reader, but a rehash of ,say Rodger Morse would bore me. Please don't take me wrong, if you think enough of it, I would be for it. Don't know what it's about.
     

  3. sqkcrk

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    It's about how a swarm of bees makes decisions.
     
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    I'm interested but I can't get to it till this winter.
     
  5. tecumseh

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    I purchased a copy for my wife from your buddy mr conners at the convention in Galveston in January. she read it cover to cover and was almost done before we returned home. the content (ethology) is pretty much my wife's academic expertise. some of the same european 'academic' crowd that evidently highly influenced Seeley are also part of my wife background.

    she seem to suggest to me that some of the latter part of the book was a bit 'thick'.
     
  6. pturley

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    He did delve pretty deep into the concept of the swarm's "hive mind" being a good model for neurological studies in decision making but overall the book is well written and is a pretty easy read.

    I bought and read a copy earlier this year. I enjoyed it emmensely.
     
  7. sqkcrk

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    I doubt that the average Joe could tell you the difference between a Republic and a Democracy. I can't. If Seeley had titled his book Honeybee Republic, I wonder what sort of message just the title would have sent?

    I guess I should wikipedia the two.

    Republic- Roman in origin, meaning "a public affair"
    Democracy- Greek in origin, meaning "power to the people"

    As forms of Government or Governence, I imagine we could argue or discuss their differences for quite some time.

    Our States are gauranteed by our Constitution "a Republican form of government". The Soviet Union was a set of Republics. The United Soviet Socialist Republics.

    How this pertains to the book in question or honeybees is still unclear to me at this time.
     
  8. sqkcrk

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    tecumseh,
    Doesn't your Misses have something to do w/ elephants or lions or something? Or am I thinking of someone else?

    I know that Joe Rowlands significant other works w/ elephants and their forms of communication. But, I thought your "mate", if I may use that word, does something similar. Or is it wolves?

    I'm wondering about other groups in Nature and their decision making processes. W/ alpha males in Wolf Packs, that doesn't seem very democratic or republic like. More of a dictatorship. Wouldn't you say?
     
  9. tecumseh

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    my wife is consider an expert on the behavior of wolves... so I am almost literally a man who runs with the women who run with the wolves. she had some small part in one of those National Geographics 'the hunter and the hunted' episode on wolves. <she had some disagreement with the film maker who insisted that she wear a lab suit for her part in the film. the common theme here being that in the misinformed public's mind a lab coat in some form or fashion makes you an authentic scientist and image is always more important than substance to the consuming public.

    not trying to place words in my wife's mouth.... but she doesn't really buy into the alpha male thinking. she (and I) think it is no coincidence that some male thought up the idea. to reduce things to a nut shell... in most complex social situation decision making is pretty complex and complexity doesn't sell nearly as well as some simplistic sound bite.
     
  10. sqkcrk

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    Thanks. And I can go along w/ the commentery. Makes sense to me. As a member of "the consuming public". :) KISS Keep it simple/stupid. ;)

    I like things explained to me in terms I can re;late to and understand, as long as I don't get lost in the minutia. Some stuff can be quite boaring, unless presented in a way which keeps the attention. Hopefully w/out exaggeration or distortion.

    One of my favorite books is by John Burroughs. I love his language, the way he presents his thoughts in printed word. I'm sure on some intellectual level his thoughts and ideas could be argued w/, but I enjoy reading what I have read. Not that it is that much.

    Bernd Hiendriech and E.O. Wilson have ways of putting things that arew quite readable too. Tho I haven't read much of their work.

    Seeley was influenced somewhat by Wilson, I believe. He may have studied under him. Maybe Seeleys pov was already established when they crossed paths. Kindred souls so to speak. Seeley speaks of Wilson briefly in his book. I should go back and reread that part.
     
  11. tecumseh

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    my wife does quite like EO Wilson... I think the statement of the relationship between man and bees often ascribed to Einstein was actually an EO Wilson snippet.
     
  12. sqkcrk

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    Other things buzzing around in Einstiens head?
     
  13. tecumseh

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    as someone reasonable pointed out the biology of bugs was NOT what was buzzing around Einstein's head.