Miracle or snake oil ??

Discussion in 'Bee News' started by Iddee, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    How does it get through the brood cappings?

    I don't use formic acid so I can't comment on its potential.
     

  3. Walt B

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    Only time will tell. :|

    Sounds like they're pretty well sold on the treatment since, with all the hype, they probably have people not buying Mite Away II, waiting for the new treatment to be available.

    Walt
     
  4. Mama Beek

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    we wouldn't know, those miracle bees (or whatever you and Wayne named them) hardly have mites with absolutely NO treatment. It's worth the extra stings.... in 3 seasons those are the only bees to continue to do well.
     
  5. Iddee

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    Wayne's bees... He's still watching over them. :amen:

    They haven't been treated anytime. They can be traced back to before the mites came. None of them were ever treated.
     
  6. Mama Beek

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    When I get to Heaven I'll have to be sure to thank him for them.... it's great to not have that worry in at least 3 of the hives.
     
  7. BjornBee

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    They could come out with a hundred new products. Don't use anything now, and don't get to excited about a "press release" from someone selling the next "new" treatment.
     
  8. barry42001

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    I spoke with company reps yesterday, Formis acid, same thing ants use to spray or sting with, since the cappings on brood cells are air permeable the exchange is possible, but CANNOT be used in temps higher then 92 degrees as then the formic acid becomes to volatle and will kill off the brood both capped and uncapped. Initially when used correctly will cause the bees to vacate the hive and beard on the outside till the vapors dissipate. The rep says low loss of capped brood and larval brood will occur, nothing major. 95% effective in mite elimination when compared side by side with no treatment.
    not too bad still relatively new and now in wide spread usage no real track record.
     
  9. Omie

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    Isn't Mite-Away formic acid supposed to work against tracheal mites too?
    If so, then what good would it do if the bees vacate the hive while it's working, bearding on the outside. Wouldn't they then not get their tracheal mites treated if the bees weren't returning into the hive until after the vapor dissipates?
     
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    I took part in a Belgium study last year, and with many samples taken from many apiaries in the north, T-mites were almost non-existant in the hives. I actually had to call and ask about the results I was forwarded, due to them not being found at all in most of the samples tested.
     
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    When you say 'in the north'...do you mean in northern Belgium?
    I'm not sure what you are trying to say....?
     
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    The study as I understood it, was a study in regards to overwintering colonies, and associated problems with bees. They looked at v-mites, t-mites, bacteria and viral issues, etc. Pennsylvania volunteered as one of the participating states, and the inspectors took random samples from various apiaries.

    Which other states participated I am not sure. But I thought they were one's that had a more traditional winter.
     
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    So you are saying that a Belgium study took samples of various apiaries in northeastern U.S. last year and reported little or no infestation of tracheal mites?
     
  14. BjornBee

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    That's what I'm saying. I was surprised as I thought more hives than thought were being effected by t-mites. But the results were clear that most had none, while others had a very low levels.

    If I run across the results, I will post the actual results. They are in a pile of papers, and which pile, I am not sure.... :D
     
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    barry writes:
    95% effective in mite elimination when compared side by side with no treatment.
    not too bad still relatively new and now in wide spread usage no real track record.

    tecumseh:
    I think the product is not so new, but the form of the product has been modified greatly.

    the first time I noted some mention of formic acid as a mite treatment was in an article by mr mraz (dated some 30 years ago) who casually mentioned that the europeans were using formic acid as a miticide. he made no comment as to of how they were using the product.

    effectiveness looks quite acceptable for an acid wash.... not that I will buy any of the stuff myself.
     
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    My problem is the 92 degree max temp. I have found it best to treat in Aug/Sept for me.
     
  17. BjornBee

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    Pre fall brood.....is best for any treatment... :thumbsup: