Mite Control with a Fogger?

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  1. Papakeith

    Papakeith New Member

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    I saw this video online and was wondering what you all might think of this method of mite control? Could it be that simple? Is it effective? What harm, if any, does it do to the bees?

    [video=youtube_share;lcy-cozD7VQ]http://youtu.be/lcy-cozD7VQ[/video]
     
  2. Iddee

    Iddee New Member

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    I used thymol and oil fogging until my thymol supply dried up and I couldn't find any more. I thought it worked quite well.
     

  3. efmesch

    efmesch Active Member

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    I bought a fogger and I bought the oil----BUT ---no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get the fogger to work.
    so I have mineral oil and a fogger taking up room in my shed, teasing me every time I walk past them (frequently) but nothing more than that. :dash1:
     
  4. blueblood

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    I like the fatbeeman videos. He's seems like a good ole boy. Yes, that looks like a great idea. Have you found a place to purchase the smoker? I found the "black fog" at Home Depot: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...=10053&langId=-1&keyword=fogger&storeId=10051 and this at Lowes: http://www.lowes.com/pd_39120-1306-...=1&currentURL=&facetInfo=&state=R#reviews_tab but from reading the reviews at Lowes, folks don't like this version and refer to the old version (fatbeeman's?) being better. I found the "Burgess" model that fatbeeman uses at Menards for $59 http://www.menards.com/main/lawn-ga...e-powered-insect-fogger/p-1480093-c-10118.htm
     
  5. Papakeith

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    Dave,
    I've got what looks to be the exact model smoker he is using at home already. I've actually got an electric on and a propane powered one similar to the one listed on menards site.

    Would it not light? or would the mineral oil not fog? Or both?
     
  6. blueblood

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    Right on....I will look for the one at Menards to go on sale and them scarf it up.
     
  7. Papakeith

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    Am I correct to assume that this method is strictly for varroa mite control and not tracheal?
     
  8. efmesch

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    Papakeith asked: Would it not light? or would the mineral oil not fog? Or both?
    Efmesch answers: I couldn't get it to light The hole in the "button" seems to me to be too small and not enough propane got through to maintain a flame. Of course, no flame. no fog. To replace the "button" I'd have to go back to Menards--that's not in my present schedule. What do you have to suggest to increase the size of the hole?
     
  9. Papakeith

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    2631600BurgessPropaneBugFogger.jpg What part are you calling the button? I light mine through the mesh screen where there is a coil of tubing toward the end of the screened barrel.

    fogger.JPG Here is a diagram of the fogger's innards. I light it where the burner and the coil intersect.
     
  10. efmesch

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    If I recall correctly, it's inside the burner assembly. It's night here now. I'll try to get a look at it tomorrow morning---maybe I'll even be able to get a picture or two for the sake of illustration.
     
  11. Zulu

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    Amazon have the best deals on these.

    Never thought about bee use though , my neighbor has one for mosquitoes, which I convinced him not to use anymore , cause the bees are so close.

    He only has used it once this summer, after sundown when we were having a cookout
     
  12. efmesch

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    P1030468.JPG Okay, here's my fogger.
    I started taking it apart to expose its innards and removed the front nozzle and the protective screen. Then I decided to give it another "chance". Put it back together and tried to light it. It took a few attempts but it seems to have taken. No great impressive heat, but at that point I said to myself (as some other beekeepers on this forum have confessed to doing to themselves :lol:), "before pulling the whole thing apart now, give it another try". So my fogger is on "hold" for the moment. I won't have "bee time" to get to giving it a real try until later next week, but I'll get to it and report on the results.
    "Unfortunately" (actually very fortunately) during my last inspection, checking for varroa last week, my hives seemed to be pretty clean (I used check mite strips during the winter) so even if I do get to give them a fogging, I won't be able to report on its efficacy. But we'll chalk it up to learning, to "preventative" medicine of the non-poisonous kind.
     
  13. crazy8days

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    I bought one from Menards as well. Talking to Fatbeeman he says to treat every 2 weeks for mite control. Never use one that has been used with poisons. I have not seen mites nor have I used the powder sugar to see if I have. But, I will start today with treatments to control if I do.
     
  14. efmesch

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    Well, my story continues....Yesterday my grandson came to visit his hives nearby and insisted that I start treating against varroa. I told him about my fogger and, to make a long story short, we took it apart again, and, using a sewing needle and a few delicate raps with a hammer, increased the size of the gas release orifice. WHOOPIE! The fogger lit and I was able to treat my hives.
    I followed fat beeman's instruction video and all went well. I hope to fog them regularly for a few weeks and will get back to this thread to report on the results. By the way, I don't have (so I didn't use) thymol, just mineral oil.
     
  15. Papakeith

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    glad you got it working.

    Mine has been used for insect fogging, so I suppose it's out for this use.
     
  16. tmrschessie

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    I would think if you clean the plastic bowl out good with say Dawn dish washing liquid and rinse well it would work. What say you bee guys?
     
  17. efmesch

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    After washing it out, would you be willing to drink soup from that bowl?

    Besides, it's not just the plastic bowl that is in contact with the poison. You've got the pump and all its insides plus the coil through which the vapor moves. I would be very cautious about cleaning it out and assuming that all residues of poison are gone. I don't know what cleaning agent would be really effective but, IF I were willing to try it, I would only do it after having tested it out on some other insects. Spray it on something like flies or mosquitos and see that they AREN'T killed before trying it on bees--and then, not your best hive.
    Actually, flies and mosquitoes might not be sensitive enough to serve as a good testing organism. They are resistant to almost everything. Minute residues that might not have any influence on them might be catastrophic for bees.
     
  18. efmesch

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    I gave my bees their second fogging today. It took longer to get in and out of uniform than it took to fog them. I plan on fogging at least twice a week for the next month and then I'll investigate the insides of drone brood in the hives.--At least that is my intention----:roll:
     
  19. Iddee

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    ""After washing it out, would you be willing to drink soup from that bowl?""

    The whole time I was growing up, my mother sprayed the kitchen with DDT. Then a normal washing of the dishes and we ate from them.

    Yes, I would eat soup from that bowl.
     
  20. Crofter

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    Hey Iddee; mebbee you just aren't a good judge of how badly that stuff affected yu!:lol:

    Dad's favorite bug killer was sugar of lead (lead arsenate) and I was the pack spray donkey so I know I ingested lots of it.
    One good thing about it is that I no longer have to worry about "dieing young":wink: