need assist from the chemist/scientists...

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  1. roadkillbobb

    roadkillbobb Active Member

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    I need some info on making some 2.5% hydronium solution(HO). its used on dogs for various skin conditions, a name brand that sells this is Banixx pet care, but a small bottle is $$$$$, so im wondering how hard it would be to make this stuff, its over the counter so no dangerous chemicals or controlled substances..thank you for any help on this..
     
  2. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I am not going to try to research this, because I think Suigeneris, or one of the others is better qualified than I am
     

  3. roadkillbobb

    roadkillbobb Active Member

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    there were some input on some other dog health websights , but no confirmed mixture or ingredient list to make it, some said it used peroxide, but im not sure, im betting its a simple mixture and seems to be a cure all for many pets, nothing todo with bees, but most people I think would benefit from it if they have any pets, heres the link to the bannix spray for reference
    https://www.amazon.com/Banixx-Care-...d=1517531966&sr=8-1&keywords=bannix+pet+spray
     
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    Banixx is basically a scam, or at best, a normal everyday product packaged with a fancy name and with the price jacked up. Bannix is merely hydrogen peroxide in a slightly acidic solution. They say "hydronium" to make it sound fancy, but in reality, any peroxide in an acidic solution takes on a hydronium form. It is the identical product to the hydrogen peroxide you buy in the pharmacy. The "hydronium" thing isn't even special - the peroxide you buy in the pharmacy is sold in this form (e.g. slightly acidic) as the hydronium form is shelf-stable for longer than the non-hydronium form.

    Long story short, Banixx is simply repackaged pharmaceutical-concentration (2.5-3%), shelf-stable (slightly acidic) hydrogen peroxide, for which they charge 2-3x the pharmacy cost because they found a big word that makes it sound fancy.

    On that note, whether using over-priced and dishonestly advertised Banixx, or just regular old peroxide, you should not continue treatment for more then 5-7 days. Peroxides inhibit healing, and if the infection hasn't cleared up in that time you should see a vet (for your dog) or MD (for you) for something stronger.

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  5. roadkillbobb

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    thank you for the answer, and I agree its over priced scam, thats why many have asked what it really is, some have said if you add plain vinegar to the peroxide to boost the acidity , I have not tried that, and I use it on the dogs once a week but not on a daily basis...they had food allergies and since changing food over a year ago and giving lots of supplements they seem to be at the tail end( no pun intended) of the problems..but just listening to all the reviews for the banixx spray just makes you wonder how good it is...
     
  6. SuiGeneris

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    Adding additional vinegar is probably not going to do anything to the peroxide in terms of its efficacy, but (I'm assuming you're just adding a little; say a teaspoon per cup) it won't do any harm either. Most pharmaceutical-grade peroxide is acidified with boric acid; this both stabilises the hydroxide and gives it a bit of a boost in its antimicrobrial effects.
     
  7. roadkillbobb

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    I found this on amazon and can dilute down to the strength I need, much cheaper in the long run..vinegar on its own is used to combat some of the issues the peroxide does...so as long as mixing wont affect the others benefits or cause a dangerous issue combined, thats good info to know..thank you, just a side note I visited your brewing sight, very interesting, I brewed beer from one of those kits with the big barrel, nothing close to your brewing, I also was looking into growing hops and selling it to all the micro breweries by me upstate..
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MDRIJ21/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
  8. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I make my own dog bath stuff, treats odor and seems to be good for their skin and any bugs that might be there.

    Recipe is baking soda, with a couple of squirts of dawn to cut oil and kill fleas, and wet the powder with drug store strength 3% hydrogen peroxide just before use to a paste state. wet dog, grab a hand ful of paste and a scrub brush (my dogs are all pretty big), and scrub gently, I don't use around mouth eyes or nose, do face with a washcloth as needed. Their coats shine and they are de-stunk. No skin issues, and one of mine is half shar pei (notorious for skin issues)

    I suspected it was just peroxide but using around eyes or in mouth doesn't sound like a great idea.
     
  9. roadkillbobb

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    I have bought a few commercial shampoos for bacterial/fungal skin issues, including one from zymox, I use a zymox ear product on the dogs and its fantastic, since I have been giving them alot more omega 3 and some other vitamin supplements they have gotten alot better, I will put your recipe on the board and try that next time and see how it goes, im ordering the high acid peroxide ..does it have to be dawn or any liquid sink soap?
     
  10. Gypsi

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    I use Dawn because I keep it around for fosters, and a little goes along way cutting grease to get water penetrate. I only bathe every couple of months or when they find something dead to lay on, and my youngest is double coated. I'd consider changing food if you are having to spend that much on supplements, what are you feeding? (I use zymox for ears too but not often, like if I see something)
     
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    that high strength peroxide is dangerous, even storing it, it's kind of volatile. You have to dilute a LOT
     
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    I was feeding purina and stopped about a year ago and am now feeding blue buffalo, but they were so bad from the purina it has taken this long to get it out of their system, both had a huge dry patch with almost all the fur off going down their back, now its all grown back and just a small patch of dry skin above the tail, so the new food id doing good, im not spending much on supplements, Im giving olive and fish oil for the omegas and a bottle of vitamins for dogs wasnt much and im crushing up human glucosamine and chrondroiton tablets into their food for joint help..their ears have been good for along time and just once a month ill give a squeeze of the zymox just as a precaution..
     
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    amazon sells it and I have read the precautions for it, I have alot more dangerous chemicals and stuff around than that, but all is handled with extreme care and with all safety precautions for eyes and skin...
     
  14. Gypsi

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    ok. well just be careful. I lost a dog to cancer and a 2nd one got it, and fought it for 3 years. I quit buying Purina after the first dog. I won't feed anything with corn or soy in them anymore
     
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    I started making some dog food with all the deer leftovers from hunting season and any older meat I had in the freezer, I run it through a meat grinder and put in a big pot and add veggies, brown rice, chunked sweet potato, olive oil, beans or a legume,and anything else healthy laying around and it seems they eat that 90% and the blue buffalo 10% of the time, so each batch lasts about a week , takes about an hour to do it, ill keep doing it till I run through all the deer scraps, that should be another few months..by then they should be all healed up and my freezers cleaned out..lol
     
  16. Gypsi

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    That should be very good for them. Mine are on Diamond Naturals Chicken and Rice, with some Pedigree canned mixed in and turmeric paste with breakfast on all 4 and dinner on 2 oldest. Other than that I use D.Mannose in their water (one if mine is a 7 year old shar pei mix and they are notorious for kidney issues). They do pretty well now. Purina is not something I will feed my dogs again. I don't have time to make everything from scratch though.
     
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    how do you find your dogs liking the taste of the turmeric in the food? I havent tried it yet because it taste yuky to me and when I made the turmeric paste and give it to them they arent happy with the taste..lol
     
  18. Gypsi

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    :they only get a little, like 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon at a time, stirred in their food. That's why a tablespoon or 2 of pedigree ground dinner stirred into kibble with the paste. They have gotten used to it.
    You know it only stays good 2 weeks in fridge
     
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    yes I made small batches of the tumeric paste, im thinking of a bigger batch and freezing small amounts like a weeks worth at a time and just defrost as I need it..
     
  20. Gypsi

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    I use baby food jars when I make a batch, but let it cool in fridge before moving them to freezer and never fill all the way. (had a couple of jars crack during freezing) I get about 5 jars out of a batch, and for the dogs and I it lasts 2 weeks