Possible honey pump?

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  1. PerryBee

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    Only problem I saw is that it is a 3 phase motor, you can buy a converter to single phase it but it is a little expensive.

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    Looks like a milk pump. Centrifugal instead of positive displacement. Honey is much thicker and would probably do better with a positive displacement pump. I have been around lots of pumps but with the disclaimer of zero of honey pumps. I would google all the honey pumps I could get a picture of and see if any are centrifugal before I invested time and money in setting this one up.
     
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    As Iddee said you could replace the motor with a single phase 60hz, C frame. But make sure 1 that it will run both clockwise and counter clockwise, and check to see if the end of the motor shaft is threaded and what direction it is threaded. Most of the pump motors I have worked with the impeller threads onto the motor shaft using a ceramic bushing and spring for the rear seal. Can't tell from the pictures but you would also want to find out if the motor shaft is going to have contact with the honey in the pump housing if so you would want to make sure the replacement motor has a stainless steel shaft.
     
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    You ideally want a peristaltic or geared pump for honey or any other heavy viscus liquid
     
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    a bit confusing... the advertisement states 220 volt but the tag says 440 (and therefore 3 phase). I am not certain of the motor in the picture but some 3 phase motors can be made to operate of single phase (220 volt) power with the addition of a large capacitor and a momentary start switch.
     
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    The tag says 200-220-440. It can be used as either. Yrs, it is 3-phase.
     
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    DeLeval makes dairy equipment, might not work for honey. I would definately be concerned with overheating the motor at a minimum pumping anything that viscous. Gear pumps or some kind of positive displacement would work better.
     
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    what is 3 phase

    Not the best at drawing pictures but here is a quick look at the difference between single and three phase ac. Single phase is pulsing power at either 50 or 60 hz (the speed at what it pules at ) I've been shocked by both and could never tell the difference :grin: so single phase uses a capacitor to store energy for the off cycle. Three phase pulses the power at 3 different times to give a better median power level. Another option is to use a converter that will allow you to run a three-phase machine on single-phase power. There are three basic types of converters: static, rotary and electronic.

    Of the three, the static type is the least expensive. A static converter has no moving parts and needs to be sized for the motor it's running. Unfortunately, a static converter reduces the available horsepower of the motor by about a third and has difficulty starting air compressors, dust collectors, large bandsaws and other machines with heavy starting loads. The reduced horsepower often isn't a problem and can be compensated for by reducing the feed rate or by taking lighter cuts. But overloading or stalling a motor hooked up to a static converter will cause destructive overheating of both the motor and the converter. A hard-to-start machine can be run by first starting another lightly loaded machine, an "idler" that serves as an electrical flywheel to start the second machine. A surplus three-phase motor can be used as a dedicated idler that runs continuously to improve both the starting and the running of other motors hooked up to a static converter.

    A rotary converter, which looks like a heavy-duty electric motor with an over-sized junction box attached, functions as both a motor and a generator. As a rotary converter is spun by single-phase power, it generates three-phase power to run other machines. More expensive than a static converter, a rotary converter costs around $600 for a 3-hp unit but doesn't have the starting and reduced-power problems that occur with a static converter. If you expect to own several three-phase machines, buy a good-sized rotary converter, which will be more economical in the long run.

    An electronic converter is more properly called an inverter for technical reasons, and most catalogs will list this device under that name. An electronic inverter transforms single-phase power into direct current and then uses microchip-guided controls to simulate three-phase alternating current. The electronics in an inverter allow you to control the motor's speed, torque and direction of rotation, and often allow for a soft start to bring the machine up to speed gradually. Most of the added control offered by an inverter would be wasted on a tablesaw but would be a great advantage on a lathe or possibly a bandsaw. Because it must be programmed, an inverter typically is dedicated to running only one machine, but with some compromises, it can be used to run several tools. The price of inverters has been dropping steadily over the last few years.
    So thinking this is a direct drive pump I would think something along these lines would be the best option.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teco-FM50-1...erter-Single-3-Phase-/400236891637#vi-content
     

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