I have been scanning past post for thoughts on queen excluders and have also heard them referred to as honey excluders. Pros/cons on using them.
Using them for what purpose? I think this is what Iddee is getting at. They can be used for a number of different things, but most newbees think (or are taught) that they "belong" between the brood chamber and honey supers. That's only one possible use, and then, only after the comb has been drawn out, and the beekeeper is sure that there is plenty of available space for brood.Pros/cons on using them.
Thanks for your thoughts, however..........since the queen isn't fed in preparation for the swarming, and a QE can't prevent a swarm since a slimmed down Q can fit through a QE, I doubt it can keep a swarm in anything in the first day or two, either.Dr. buzz- no, not correct. It just means the queen can't get to the other side of the excluder. All the other bees can go back and forth.
Another possible excluder use- catch a swarm and put it in a hive- but often swarms will take off and disappear from the hive where you put them in the first few days. If you put an excluder between the brood box and the bottom board for the first few days, the swarm queen cannot leave, and the bees will stay there with her. (make sure they don't have an upper entrance) In a few days they will hopefully settle in and you can remove the excluder.
Right. They were meant to prevent a laying queen from entering supers, not prevent a slimmed down queen from flying away. Otherwise they'd be called swarm preventers, right?'most' queens cannot fit thru a queen excluder... that is why they call these a queen excluders.
I have used a QE in my attempts to prevent a swarm. I used a plastic QE, very easy to see if those are damaged in any way. After that failed several times, I later found out that it is considered common knowledge that a slimmed Q can not be reliably prevented from passing through a QE.<you seem to be 'assuming' based on some 'authority' that they can???
I myself suspect (don't know, am guessing here for certain) that ...reports of queens passing thru an excluder are highly exaggerated.
I have definitely heard (and repeated) the "common knowledge" of a slimmed down queen fitting through excluders, but I stopped repeating it some time ago and have come to agree with tecumseh for exactly the reasons he cites. It's all about the thorax, not the abdomen.a snip...
'most' queens cannot fit thru a queen excluder... that is why they call these a queen excluders. <you seem to be 'assuming' based on some 'authority' that they can???
...the first thing you notice is it is the width of her head and thorax that prevents any normal sized queen from passing thru a queen excluder. any slimming down of queen prior to swarming takes place in the abdomen and not much of anywhere else on the queen's external structure.
Come again?well first off the last sentence sounds confused and illogical composed....
I'm sure I'm revealing my own ignorance again, but what does this mean? You think I have followed the advice of someone who has admitted to not being able to keep their bees alive? Are you confusing me with someone else? That might explain the hostility...it just appears to me (don't really know and again guessing for certain) that what you mistakenly identify as common knowledge is just an opinion by someone with very limited experience who by their own admission can not keep bees alive nor produce a honey crop (while setting in the middle of a bee keeper's paradise). you essentially like their explanation of your own failure and you have bought into that line of thinking hook, line and sinker.
I'm sure you are correct and I have many silly and incorrect ideas about how to raise bees. How stupid you have made me appear. You win. If I thought it was worth fussing about, I'd just go back to beesource and express a belief or opinion that wasn't shared by someone.*again I might suggest you read mr hayes article... for one think it might give you some idea of how a well designed experiment is designed.