SHB questions

Discussion in 'Pests and Diseases' started by Slowmodem, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. Slowmodem

    Slowmodem New Member

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    Well, they found me. I was changing out the entrance feeder on top of the inner cover on the swarm hive box and when I picked it up, there were five or six black bugs crawling around under the feeder. I guess SHBs are like porn, you know it when you see it. I knew it was a matter of time, and I bought some traps to put in the hives, and I was planning on putting them in tomorrow. I guess it's coincidence that I saw them today. It's been a couple of weeks since I've looked in my big hive. I'm kind of scared to look in there now. I may have 30 frames of slime. I sure hope not.

    Here's my questions.

    The swarm is in a 8-frame box with bare frames. There is no comb and no honey (except what they might have drawn out since Friday). What is in that hive that would attract the SHB? Do they go by smell? Do you think it might be the HBH that I put in the syrup? I don't think syrup has a smell.

    Certainly, there wasn't SHB that rode along with the swarm, was there? As much as I understand bees hate SHB, surely they wouldn't bring them along with the swarm.

    I have the box in full sun with an entrance reducer. I pulled it out just a tad to increase the entrance from the smallest opening because it was getting crowded. Should I push it back so that only the small opening is operational?

    Sorry about rambling, but I hope you can remember the first time you saw a SHB. I'm ready to go do defcon 4 and go ballistic.

    Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated. :)
     
  2. G3farms

    G3farms New Member

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    I have seen them in a swarm before, kind of surprised me. I figured they would be left behind but guess not.

    They like dark hiding places out of the reach of the bees.
     

  3. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I try to make dark hiding places scarce or oil-filled. Ordering beetleblasters tomorrow. It's time, they want to get into the hive for the winter.
     
  4. tecumseh

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    ramble on.... often times folks should add more context to their questions and not less imho. a certain level of elaboration just helps on this end in constructing a bit boarder understanding of someone's problem.

    6 adult hive beetles under a feeder (may I assume the adult bees can not get there?) is not so much to worry about. since the shb is a scavenger they may not have come along with the ride but simply have been attracted by the feed. my approach to this problem is quite simple (if I do maintain a constant philosophy in my beekeeping it is to keep things as simple as possible) I would continue to feed and keep the new hive growing. often times with numbers (and limiting any excess space) 'the girls' will deal with this problem on their own.
     
  5. Slowmodem

    Slowmodem New Member

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    Thanks for your replies. I have some beetle jails that fit between two frames that I'm going to try to get in there today.

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    Hopefully, that will help. Hopefully I'm not too late with the other hive.

    I'll try to get some pictures today.
     
  6. mdunc

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    I just installed some of these yesterday. Interested to see how they work. I had some of the mini beetle blaster & they would catch a couple beetle"s but for the most part I wasn't impressed. I really don't expect much more from the beetle jails though.:sad:
     
  7. Slowmodem

    Slowmodem New Member

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    I ordered a couple of freeman beetle traps for under the hive today. I figure I can always use the ones I have now if I catch another swarm or something (I'm learning you can never have enough wooden ware!). I figure by the time they get here that will be enough time to test the beetle jails plastic traps.

    I'm not much of a photographer (especially with a bee suit on) and I only have my phone camera, but here is a beetle on the inner cover and you can see their size compared to a bee (I don't believe I've ever seen a picture like that before).

    2012-08-15_14-45-10_377b.jpg

    Yesterday I saw five or six beetles. Today I only saw one. I don't know if the bees have took care of them, or if they have found better hiding places. Also, I went into the big hive today, too and didn't see any beetles. I did put a couple of jails in there. So if there are any beetles, perhaps they will be caught. I also spread some diatomaceous earth around the hives for beetles and ants to crawl through.

    Since I didn't see any beetles in the big hive, I can only surmise that they came with the swarm or the HBH attracted them. There's hardly any comb yet and there's no honey. So there's really not much for a SHB to do there. But I'[ll continue to monitor them and update this thread ( or another one).
     
  8. Slowmodem

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  9. mdunc

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    Update.......Well I'm very disappointed to say the least. I installed 1 of these beetle jails in each of the 5 hives I have just as the instructions suggested. I have yet to see a single beetle in any of them.:cry:
     
  10. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I got the little disposable beetle blasters and put some cooking oil in them. No beetles yet, but I don't have many beetles in my hives either. I found a couple, usually up near the top, under the edge of the cover or under a frame where the ear is on the rim of the box. I squished all the ones I found. The bees and I were having a race getting to them as they were exposed.

    So I'll be happy if I just don't have many loose in the hive. Full sun and lots of bees are the best for that.
     
  11. Slowmodem

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    I read on ::whispering:: that other forum :: ahem:: that DE can be used in these traps. I may try that when I go into the hives this coming week.
     
  12. vermillion

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    So sorry slowmodem....

    We rely heavily on screened bottom boards with oil trays here....every time I open a hive i do disturb a bee-made beetle jail, and have to squish a few with my hive tool. But the bees can and will chase them down into the oil trap. Larvae too.

    And yes, they do travel with a swarm. And they enter the hive in the evening, in the two hours before dark. Entrance reducers will help as well, but I have watched them fly into a wad of bees straight into the hive. What happens in there, well---i can only hope the bees will handle it. Proper bee spacing, removing burr comb, apiary hygiene, and SBBs. All essential.

    That is my experience, and what the beekeepers here have been doing. We have no winter to help with this. I dont know a single beekeeper who doesnt run their bees over SBB with oil traps.
     
  13. tecumseh

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    so you could have done nothing and had the same results?
     
  14. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I use sbb's.
    Will put oil sheet back in soon.
     
  15. ablanton

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    Give it some time. I use the same kind of traps; however I use more than one. I have one one between outside and #1 & outside and #10 in the very bottom and very top boxes. Some inspections they are empty. Other inspections, I have found up to 47 SHB in them. One of my hives is in the shade and these traps seem to be helping the girls keep things in check.
     
  16. mdunc

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    What are you baiting them with???
     
  17. ablanton

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    I use baby oil and a few drops of apple cider vinegar.
     
  18. Dbure

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    Ablanton, my husband and I just got through today installing screened bottom boards with oil traps on the last of our hives. I lost 2 hives earlier to SHB and was determined not to lose anymore if I could help it. The first sbb we installed a week ago and I was shocked to see so many SHB dead in the oil. They really do work and were worth the extra investment. The beetle blaster traps we had initially could not keep up with the problem. We noticed that our hives were becoming more and more agressive because of the interior problems they were having. I can't begin to tell you what a difference the sbb traps have made in their temperament. Beekeeping is actually becoming fun again.:Dancing:
     
  19. ablanton

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    Glad to hear you found a solution!
     
  20. Gypsi

    Gypsi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I know they work very well!

    I need to sticky my sticky boards, but the bees had taken to hanging out under my sbb's, so I only got oil on 1 today. I am hoping with the board there, even without oil, the hive temp will go up, and the ladies will get used to Not going under the sbb. The freeman traps are great, but with the hive count multiplying faster than my income this year, I made my own sbb's and I'm making my own sticky boards..